Thunderbird/StatusMeetings/2008-05-13
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Thunderbird Meeting Details
- Tuesday, May 13, 16:30 UTC (9:30am Pacific, 12:30pm Eastern)
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Agenda
Action Items
Open
- AI:group write down desired IMAP offline behavior on wiki page for next week
- AI:emre send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review
- AI:clarkbw different list view?
- AI:Standard8/clarkbw: mac addrbook UI
- AI:davida schedule postmortem for 3.0a1
- AI:davida guided form doesn't allow version unsetting
- AI:davida bugzilla should _refuse_ unspecified version
- AI:davida version field UI in bugzilla should be clarified
- AI:davida should have "file bug" menu item in nightlies/alphas
- AI:group read/edit Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner
- AI:group read/edit MailNews:Address Book RoadMap
Closed
- AI:dmose mail release-drivers to start 3.0a1 push
- AI:davida review format of status meetings minutes
- Format of minutes copied from build team meetings
- People move items during the week from Open to Closed section
- AI: syntax convention allows for searching across the wiki
- Format of minutes copied from build team meetings
- AI:nth10sd
- QA for Shredder a1
- QA signoff of Shredder a1 occurred on 2008-05-12.
Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a1
- QA
almostcompleted by nth10sd - Release mechanics: who owns?
- rick
- after QA sez that bits looks good, release lead mails release-drivers that it's ok to push bits to mirrors (done manually, currently only by nick and john)
- rick
- david to schedule postmortem
- ASAP is best, before folks forget
- but hard to schedule until the release itself actually happens
Thunderbird:Thunderbird_3.0a2
- Why? - Release goals TBD
- Possibilities
- Better offline experience?
- AI(group): write down desired behavior on wiki page for next week
- AI(emre): send recently written IMAP docs to bienvenu for review
- AI(clarkbw): different list view?
- AI(Standard8/clarkbw): mac addrbook UI
- Possibilities
- When
- Planned code freeze: July 8, 23:59 Pacific
- QA
- Shredder a1 QA was done by nth10sd (~3 days); nth10sd not available for a2
- According to 6-8 week release schedule between alphas, he'll have finished his internship by then and will be on break.
- There should be a plan for QA in Shredder a2. (see also next testday)
General Planning
- Would to like, as a group, understand better:
- AI:group: read/edit Thunderbird:Road Map To XULRunner
- AI:group: read/edit MailNews:Address Book RoadMap
QA Updates
Bug day results constantly updated in a spreadsheet. UNCO Graph continues to look good.
Last Test Bug Day Thursday 8th May 2008
- QA testplan
- Low number of participants (noted in m.d.a.t that we hit EU vacation season)
- Litmus trunk tests largely NA, so unused.
- Used Alpha 1 build and Rumbling Edge release notes.
Next Test Day
- prior to alpha 2?
- driver?
Next Bug Day Thursday 15th May 2008
- Adds recent bugs with no comments to the mix (bugs <60 days old)
- wsmwk largely unable to participate 05-15 due to travel
- wsmwk unable to participate 05-22 due to conversions scheduled @work
Statistics - Overall, current bug break down and recent activity (not just bugday)
- triage rate still not up to pace with rate of bugs being reported: m.d.a.t forums
- by version (product=Thunderbird-only):
- open/unconfirmed %unconfirmed:
- <=1.0 89/49 55%
- 1.5 350/207 59%
- 2.0 615/297 48%
- trunk 774/129 16%
- unspec 3732/2575 69%
- unspec is bugzilla's default setting
- no comments other than reporter's (i.e. unworked), open/unconfirmed
- <=1.0 33/18 - ~40% of the total for <=1.0
- 1.5 77/48 - ~20% of the total for 1.5
- 2.0 81/46 - <15% of the total for 2.0
- trunk 145/20 - <20% of the total for trunk
- unspec 1258/1104 - ~40% of the total for unspec
- high percentage (40%) of unspec are "unworked" bugs, relative to vers=0.9-trunk (25%) - not a surprise
- open/unconfirmed %unconfirmed:
- recent activity (product=Thunderbird)
- 800 bugs closed in last 2 months
- 520 bugs closed in previous 2 month period
- so rate of bug closing is up substantially compared to 2 months ago
Roundtable
davida:
- Start page for 3.0a1 is pointless, as 3.0a1 uses chrome URL for that. To fix when we do the Shredder branding. bug 430762
- blog entry on 2.0.0.14 SSL issue hasn't generated much response
- davida to test editing 2.0.0.x start page
- safe testing: what can we do?
- bienvenu: existing bug on doing what Mail.app does
- default POP to leave-on-server & delete after 7 days
- Standard8: mozbackup extension actively developed
- bienvenu: existing bug on doing what Mail.app does
- worked on try server patch for other projects; under review
Standard8:
- Shredder Alpha 1 testing.
- Reviews
- bug 418777 Fixed LDAP autocomplete not working for authenticated connections.
- bug 433307 Tidied up nsMsgBiffManager implementation and switched to use nsTArray rather than nsVoidArray (type safety improvement).
- Automated tests
- Posted Rules and Review Policy for Unit Tests within mailnews/ and mail/.
- Worked patches on bug 378991 to a review complete state, waiting for core to re-open before these can be submitted.
- bug 432812 Reworked some of the xpcshell tests wrt setup and clean up to make it easier and develop, updated wiki page.
- Started to think about start up performance testing. Mainly just thoughts at the moment.
- Switch to Toolkit's Password Manager
- bug 419595 Reworked nsLDAPURL so that it will provide correctly formatted inputs as required for toolkit's password manager.
- Switch to Toolkit's Autocomplete
- Initial build config patch bug 370306
- Started syncing some more of xpfe towards toolkit to make the conversion easier bug 309081
nth10sd:
- Signed-off QA for Shredder Alpha 1.
- Found 20 bugs.
- bug 218500 got checked in.
clarkbw:
- worked on bugs
- bug 431819 recommending short term revert and alt tb vs. ff setting
- bug 249620 pushed forward string change settings vs. properties
- bug 432865 made recommendation for sender vs. from in quick search
- Message Signatures
- Created Thunderbird:Message Signatures page for collecting message signatures design. Another small UI improvement
- Chatted briefly with wsmwk about improvements
- Search
- blogged about future search areas
- added new quick-search designs
- Chatted with asuth about search improvements
- blogged about new quick-search improvements
- Return Receipts
- Chatted more with Paolo Iacobazzi
- Updated wiki page User:Clarkbw/Return Receipt to reflect comments and changes. Another small UI improvement that's possible.
rick:
- 3.0a1 rc built.
- initial stab at momo infrastructure (at least, in terms of # of vm's, macs)
dmose:
- Bits of 3.0a1 driving work
- Lots of catching up on email, blogs, reviews, etc.
- Started thinking about sub-modules for reviewing
- Started entering data and working with OmniFocus in an attempt to get more organized
beckley:
- Working on auto-opening mailboxes that receive filtered messages
- Helping sid0 with debugging and the Bugzilla/CVS process, for desktop search integration
- Dale says he will get some time within the next couple of days to talk to Emre about offline IMAP.
- Will be offline next week, on vacation: 5/18-5/26.
emre:
- Didn't work on bugs last week.
- Holding dummy protocol implementation work until extending the protocol mechanism becomes a priority.
- Data storage and search mechanism diagrams will be up after this meeting. Combined, they provide good understand of the design in-place and about how to extend the search features in back-end. Couple ideas are:
- Develop an add-on to experiment sqlite based searching.
- Pros: relatively isolated from the rest of the system, minimum impact/change on the current code
- Pros: both the existent mechanism and the new one are functional at the same time for experiments
- Cons: most likely, the code is not reusable
- Cons: more coding, and add-on mumbo-jumbo (I think this is a technical term)
- Replace the existent search mechanism by;
- extending nsIMsgSearchAdapter interface
- not sure how much work needed.
- simply replacing the current implementation of nsMsgSearchOfflineMail class
- simple and dirty. Relatively difficult to share with Bryan and others since it requires patching and compilation.
- extending nsIMsgSearchAdapter interface
- another idea: CLucene, as used in Flock
- Develop an add-on to experiment sqlite based searching.
- Imap offline improvements: Dale hasn't got back to me yet
- Hasn't talk to Bryan about my findings yet
- Next week;
- I want to work on bugs assigned to me that I couldn't find time to work on last week.
- I plan to develop an experimental Sqlite based search mechanism - if we decide to go on this direction.
asuth:
- Created tag meta-bug: bug 432710
- Lots of work on deleting-lots-of-messages bug 296453. I think I have addressed all of the fundamental issues, although there's the question of...
- Should we have a folder-events-only event stream that people can listen for, so they don't have to receive all the message events and just filter them out?
- bienvenu: could add bit flags to allow for this
- Created page on threading and the preferences that affect it in the process: MailNews:Message_Threading.
- (Still need to log a related bug or two and try and get some unit testing for the topological sort logic.)
- Should we have a folder-events-only event stream that people can listen for, so they don't have to receive all the message events and just filter them out?
- Touched base with clarkbw on search.
wsmwk:
- Working with standard8 on palmsync+trunk
- TB 2.0.0.14 missing from talkback - filed bug 433234
Attendees
asuth, beckley, bienvenu, clarkbw, davida, dmose, emre, nth10sd, Standard8, wsmwk